Do you double dip?

I was reading a blog I follow called “Tomorrow’s Professor” and they posted a discussion being held in the field of Political Science where faculty are double presenting papers at different conferences. I was taught in graduate school that this isn’t something you should do. Would we want our journalists to publish the same story twice? Or is that what we call AP? One argument being made is that many conference presentations are made in front of 10 or less people. I have heard that same argument made in ag comm and ag ed. At our recent ACE meeting we probably had 15 people in the room, and I was excited that it was such a great turn out. At that meeting we discussed a related issue of what determines publication. In the sister association of AAAE authors will present a paper at a regional meeting then present it again, after revisions, to the national meeting. It is published in proceedings CDs both times and then, most of the time, sent to a journal after final revisions. The argument behind this is that each step allows for discussion and better development of the piece. At ACE we typically have published a CD, but this year we moved to a CD only containing abstracts, as some people felt that by putting full papers on the CD, that mind you only 10-15 people get, it is published and shouldn’t be sent to a journal. 

I see both sides of these issues. My tenure committee isn’t going to want to see me with only 5 studies I have presented twice and then published, the want to see me doing a multitude of studies presented and published. A few articles that have followed that flow are ok, but it cannot look like I am “milking” the article or study. So I am very cautious in what I publish and where. But I do not feel that a CD is necessarily publication, and I don’t agree with the Political Science field in that you can present twice. AAAE is set up as regional meetings and not every article moves up, so I don’t see the big problem there.

So what constitutes publication? What constitutes presentation? Final presentation? I have taken an article I presented at AAAE and used the same data in a workshop at ACE. Is that double dipping? I am sharing my research (and I cited myself). What do you think?

2 Comments on “Do you double dip?

  1. First, congrats on a great blog. I found it today after seeing your Twitter about volunteering with the communications activities at the FFA National Convention communications room in Indy. I’m sure you’re doing a terrific job as you are with this blog.

    Upfront I’ll admit my ignorance about academic institutions and how they operate, so my comments are made through eyes of a private businessman.

    In your comments above, you stated, “My tenure committee isn’t going to want to see me with only 5 studies I have presented twice and then published, they want to see me doing a multitude of studies presented and published.”

    It seems to me that the issue may not really be about double-dipping, but may more about “performance requirements”, or expectations.

    Would your “double-dipping” question still exist if the expectations were clearly defined as unwavering performance requirements which must be met or you wouldn’t either graduate or be tenured or have a job?

    For example, let’s say the “requirement” was clearly defined as: Five unique studies (seems like a lot, but maybe that’s over a 2 year period) must be done and presented and published.

    If that “requirement” were met, would the question about whether you went above and beyond that be an issue?

    In private business the charge is to get the message out as many times through as many different forms of media to as many people as possible. If there’s overlap there’s even a justification for why that’s a good thing. Same message frequency increases the chance the person hearing it will actually remeber it and take action or put the message to good use.

    In any case, keep up the good work!

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